Problem	8349
Created	2006-03-27
Source	Modified from a game
Rating

Difficulty	25.8 kyu
Average Solve Time	15 secs
User Attempts	19538 / 28994
Solve Ratio Rating	18 kyu
	rating history

Best local move

(;AB[ad]AB[bd]AB[cd]AB[dc]AB[db]AB[da]AB[ce]AW[ae]AW[be]AW[bf]AW[cf]AW[dd]AW[ed]AW[ec]AW[eb]AW[fb]AW[fd]AW[ee]AW[gd]AW[ge]AW[gf]AW[ff]AW[ef]AW[df]AW[gc]AW[gb]AW[ga]LB[ha:T]C[Play at T if you wish to tenuki.]AP[goproblems] (;B[bb]C[Eight points :}RIGHT]) (;B[ha];W[bb] (;B[cc];W[ab];B[ba];W[cb]LB[hb:T]C[Play T if you wish to tenuki.] (;B[ca];W[bc]C[Minus 25 points. White can almost fill with a bulky five.]MA[bc]MA[ac]MA[ab]MA[bb]MA[cb]) (;B[hb];W[ca];B[bc];W[ea];B[ac];W[de]) (;B[bc];W[ea]LB[hb:T] (;B[ca]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[hb];W[de];B[ca]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]))) (;B[ac];W[ab];B[ba];W[cb] (;B[ca]C[Minus 26 points. White can almost fill with a bulky five killable shape.]) (;B[cc];W[ea]LB[hb:T]C[Play at T if you wish to tenuki.] (;B[ca];W[bc]C[Minus 24 points.]) (;B[hb];W[ca]C[Minus 23 points. Black loses the capturing race.];B[bc];W[de]))) (;B[ab];W[bc] (;B[ba];W[ac];B[cb];W[aa]C[Ko. Black can do better than a seki. Even the seki lines are better than this.] (;B[ab]C[NOTTHIS]) (;B[cc];W[ca]C[Ko. The interesting thing is that white can't fill wA18 or wB19. Black can force white to use his ko threats or to concede the ko.Black can get better than seki.])) (;B[ac];W[ba] (;B[cb];W[de];B[cc]C[Seki is 0 points.]) (;B[cc];W[cb]MA[bc]MA[bb]MA[ba]MA[cb]MA[ca]C[Black is dead. White can almost fill with a bulky five killable shape inside.]))) (;B[bc];W[ab] (;B[cb];W[ba]TR[ad]TR[bd]TR[cd]TR[ce]TR[bc]TR[cb]TR[dc]TR[db]TR[da]C[Ouch :{ Black loses at least 18 points.]) (;B[ba];W[cb];B[ca];W[ea];B[cc]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[cc];W[cb];B[ca];W[ba]TR[ad]TR[bd]TR[cd]TR[ce]TR[bc]TR[cc]TR[dc]TR[db]TR[da]TR[ca]C[Ouch :{ At least minus 20 points. White can almost fill with wA19 creating a bulky five killable shape inside.]MA[ab]MA[aa]MA[ba]MA[bb]MA[cb]) (;B[ca];W[ba]C[Ouch :{ At least minus 20 points.])) (;B[ba];W[cb];B[ca];W[ab];B[bc];W[de];B[cc]C[Seki is 0 points.]) (;B[cb];W[ab] (;B[bc];W[ba]C[White could fill the outside liberites. Then white would almost fill with a bulky five killable shape inside.]) (;B[ba];W[de] (;B[bc];W[ea]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[cc];W[ea]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.])) (;B[cc];W[ba]C[White fills the outside liberties. Then white creates a bulky five killable shape inside.]) (;B[ca];W[ba]C[White can fill the outside liberties. Then white can almost fill with a bulky five killable shape inside.]) (;B[ac];W[de] (;B[cc];W[ea]) (;B[ba];W[ea]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.])))) (;B[ac];W[bb] (;B[ba];W[cb];B[ca];W[ab];B[cc]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[ab];W[ba];B[cc]MA[bc]MA[bb]MA[cb]MA[ba]MA[ca]TR[ab]TR[ac]TR[bd]TR[ce]TR[cd]TR[cc]TR[dc]TR[db]TR[da]C[Ouch! Minus 26 points. White can almost fill with a bulky five kiilable shape inside.]) (;B[cc];W[ba]TR[ac]TR[ad]TR[bd]TR[ce]TR[cd]TR[cc]TR[dc]TR[db]TR[da]C[Ouch:{ Minus 23 points.])) (;B[ab];W[bb] (;B[ba];W[bc] (;B[ac]TR[aa]TR[cc]C[White can't kill the eye in the corner.RIGHT]) (;B[cb]C[RIGHT])) (;B[ac];W[ba]C[White can almost fill with a bulky five killable shape inside.];B[cc]MA[bc]MA[bb]MA[cb]MA[ba]MA[ca]TR[ab]TR[ac]TR[bd]TR[ce]TR[cd]TR[cc]TR[dc]TR[db]TR[da]C[Ouch! Minus 26 points. White can almost fill with a bulky five kiilable shape inside.]) (;B[bc];W[ba];B[cb];W[ea]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.])) (;B[aa];W[bb];B[bc];W[ab];B[cb] (;W[de];B[ba];W[ca];B[ba]C[Seki is 0 points.]) (;W[ba]C[Ouch :{ Minus 25 points.CHOICE])) (;B[bc];W[bb];B[cb];W[ab];B[ba];W[de]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[ba];W[bb];B[ab];W[bc] (;B[ac]TR[aa]TR[cc]C[Eight points :}RIGHT]) (;B[cb]C[RIGHT])) (;B[cc];W[bb] (;B[ab];W[ba] (;B[bc];W[ea]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[ca];W[bc];B[cb]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.])) (;B[aa];W[ab]C[Black dies. White can almost fill with a square four or bulky five killable shape.]) (;B[ba];W[ab];B[cb];W[ea]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[cb];W[ba] (;B[ab];W[bc]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[bc];W[ab]C[Ouch :{ Minus 20 points. White can fill the outside liberties and then almost fill with a bulky five.]TR[ad]TR[bd]TR[cd]TR[ce]TR[cc]TR[bc]TR[dc]TR[cb]TR[db]TR[da])) (;B[ea];W[ba] (;B[ab];W[bc];B[cb]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[bc];W[ab]TR[ad]TR[bd]TR[cd]TR[ce]TR[bc]TR[cc]TR[dc]TR[db]TR[da]TR[ea]C[Ouch :{ At least minus 20 points.]))) (;B[ca];W[bb];B[ab];W[bc];B[ac];W[ba]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[cb];W[bb];B[bc];W[ba];B[ab];W[ea]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[ea];W[bb] (;B[ac];W[ab];B[ba];W[cb];B[cc];W[fa]LB[ha:T]C[Black loses the capturing race. Play at T if you wish to tenuki.];B[ha];W[bc]LB[hb:T]C[Play at T if you wish to tenuki.];B[hb];W[de]C[Atari]) (;B[ab];W[bc];B[ac];W[ba] (;B[cb]C[Seki is 0 points.]) (;B[cc];W[cb]C[Minus 22 points.])) (;B[bc];W[ab] (;B[ba];W[cb];B[ca];W[fa];B[cc]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[cc];W[cb];B[ca];W[ba]C[At least minus 20 points. White can almost fill with wA19 creating a bulky five killable shape.]MA[ba]MA[aa]MA[ab]MA[bb]MA[cb]) (;B[cb];W[ba]TR[ac]TR[ca]MA[aa]MA[ba]MA[ab]MA[bb]C[White can almost fill with a bulky five. F is a false eye.]LB[cc:F]) (;B[ca];W[ba]C[At least minus 20 points.]))) (;B[de];W[bb] (;B[ac];W[ab];B[ba];W[cb];B[cc];W[ea]LB[ha:T]C[Play at T if you wish to tenuki.];B[ha];W[bc]C[Minus 24 points.]) (;B[ab];W[bc];B[ac];W[ba] (;B[cc];W[cb]MA[bc]MA[bb]MA[ba]MA[cb]MA[ca]C[White almost fills with a bulky five killable shape inside.]) (;B[cb];W[cc]C[Black loses the capturing race.])) (;B[bc];W[ab] (;B[ba];W[cb];B[ca];W[ea];B[cc]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[cc];W[cb];B[ca];W[ba]MA[ab]MA[aa]MA[ba]MA[bb]MA[cb]C[At least minus 22 points. White can almost fill with wA19 creating a bulky five killable shape inside.]) (;B[cb];W[ba]TR[ad]TR[bd]TR[cd]TR[ce]TR[de]TR[bc]TR[dc]TR[db]TR[cb]TR[da]C[Black loses at least 20 points.]) (;B[ca];W[ba]C[At least minus 20 points.])) (;B[ba];W[cb];B[ca];W[ab];B[bc];W[cc]TR[bc]TR[ad]TR[bd]TR[cd]TR[ce]TR[de]C[Atari. Black loses the capturing race.]) (;B[cc];W[ab];B[ba];W[cb]LB[ha:T]C[Play at T if you wish to tenuki.] (;B[bc];W[ea];B[ca]C[Seki is 0 points. Black can do better.]) (;B[ca];W[bc]C[At least minus 22 points. White can almost fill with a killable bulky five shape inside.]MA[ab]MA[bb]MA[cb]MA[bc]MA[ac]) (;B[ha];W[bc]C[White fills the outside liberty. Then white ataris with wA17 creating a killable bulky five shape inside.]MA[ac]MA[bc]MA[bb]MA[cb]MA[ab]))))